![]() ![]() My brother also likes the bands you mention, who I also dislike, and also dismisses the bands I mentioned in much the same way - you're not my brother, are you? I went round to my brothers, and allowed him to try to convert me, but I hate the production, and there's that "X" factor in the music that either does it for me or doesn't. ![]() If they did, then they improved them to the point that they created some very slick new ones! (Oooops!! Bad, Bad Cert!!) If you think LP sound nothing like RATM, then I'm in full agreement, buddy! Let's agree on that, at least So if you like one, you automatically hate the other? Different sides of the same coin? It's all "rap metal", surely? My brother reckons that LP nicked loads of RATM riffs. I've NEVER bought a RATM CD, but my brother is equally rabid about them and equally anti LP. Music is not just an audible phenomenon after all sound waves have a physical effect. There are certain patterns which have a wide appeal, and there are biological and physiological as well as psychological reasons why one person may like a piece while another hates it. Music, like any art, is not totally abstract there are rules that govern structure which underpin all art. Many artists push the boundaries of those rules in order to bring abstraction and chaos, or at the very least some sense of their own self to their creation, but usually end up re-affirming the rules for the general populace. It would appear that not many respondents have bothered to look into the title topic (check the History Today videos on the link above - if you've never seen them before you'll get the point immediately - and also have some serious belly laughs!!). I tried to pull this thread back O/T a couple of posts ago - but the old "X is Crap Y is Fab" argument can be just sooooo irresistable - as you say, the psychology is fascinating. I know I'm not the only one whose mind tends to revert to the inner child. OK - Guilty as charged! It reminds me of those superb History Today sketches by David Baddiel and Robert Newman, where two old university professors sit down to discuss a topic from history, and descend into a "See that? That's you, that is" type of childish argument. I'm not sure how long a thread stays serious on this forum - it annoys me a bit too that a kind of "who gives a monkeys" attitude creeps into most serious threads. I respect your preferred tastes but don't have the fascist arrogance to insist what I should or shouldn't like. Telling me x is better than y is your subjective opinion. Music like any art form is abstract, try to define it in pure physically or mathematical terms and you still haven't explain anything about how it effects others' souls and minds. I'm in my 50's and I still want to learnt I still find myself changing my ideas given sound reasoning. Blinked inflexibity caused me to pack in the last prog discussion group, although I've been with a jazz rock fusion group since the mid 90's, and it has never suffered this level of immaturity. That is some form of progressive fundamentalism, a rock Afghanistan where some don't care to accept that others have different opinions and prefer other bands. indications as to how some folks end up displaying the mental level of an 8 year old: "mind is better than yours" etc. Trouble is the wrong sort of research results came about more suited to a social psychologist:i.e. Mmmmm, I all I was trying to do was some serious research and nail the Cobain and Red quote. THAT WAS HEAVY METAL! * anyone remember Saxon? dividing the audience into the wild side, and the crazy side.* Breaks down into inconsolable sobbing. Pauses to change oxygen cylinder They call this new 'stuff' heavy rock or heavy metal? Hah! when was the last time you saw a spandex clad, flaxen haired god with a Gibson Flying V guitar, eh? Answer me that! Where are the 5 minute drum solos? The flash bombs? Where are the opening shouts of "Good evening Cleveland!" Whatever happened to audience participatory singalongs, including, if you were lucky. Of course, I remember when heavy metal WAS heavy metal, when rap was what you got over the knuckles from an irate tutor, when the word 'grunge' had no meaning at all, other than maybe what you washed off your car, when R&B mean sweaty dark clubs and bands like Dr Feelgood, not vapid watered down soul. Sounds of creaking wheelchair, shuffling carpet slippers & sloshing colostomy bag. ![]()
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